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swordz9 posted...

I wonder if even literally 1 person in America believed Trump would actually be punished. Everyone knew it wasnt gonna happen because that would require people looking past who is on their side and displaying any sense of being an actual human being

57 is honestly a lot more than I thought wed get!

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Moops?
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Im a bit confused how you can look at the past month and go you know the democrats are to blame for this too. I see this less as the democrats letting us down and more showing how the system has failed.

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Moops?
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Character and case ranking?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

That's DR1 alright.

I dunno I always really liked Junko even if she was only around for a short while! Her free time was pretty cool, but I'm guessing Chris skipped it.

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Moops?
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Just started chapter two and if Hina doesn't end up drowned in the pool at some point I will be disappointed.

I have decided we CANNOT be friends anymore. Sorry Chris. I don't make the rules.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Some random predictions for chapter 2

Guy is going to die, they seem to like to keep the balance between boys and girls so far.

Byakuya, Celeste, and Kyoko are the three that strike me as end game players right now. Going to random predict Hifumi dies and that Toko or Chihiro does it.

Also waifu rankings

Aoi
Kyoko
No one else who cares

Oh ok I take it back we're cool again.

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Moops?
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Sorry for the delay! I should get this started back up again tomorrow.

(This delay was intentional to fill you with DESPAIR and has nothing to do with me getting sucked into Demons' Souls during my free time)

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Moops?
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Ok based on my quick research you can easily stream:

Into the Woods
Little Shop of Horrors
Fargo

So I'm a yes on those three! No order. Machete doesn't seem to have an easy streaming service and obviously Willy's Wonderland doesn't either.

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Moops?
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Both super good.

FF7R

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Moops?
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Animal Crossing

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Moops?
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Im going to try for sure since there actually seems to be a fairly big DR community here! I cant guarantee it will be as interesting because Im not sure Ill be as excited about the play through/watch through. Not that Im going to try to hate them but Im just less optimistic than I was when I started the topic that theyll be any good. Hopefully Im wrong!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

The first time I've ever seen Natsumi even get ranked!

Natsumi and one other character were the reason I boosted it to 40! There are three here that are pretty insignificant that I just included because I thought it would be weird to have the main cast, Natsumi, and the mysterious person X. But I had strong feelings on those two after playing so I felt like they should be included!

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Moops?
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xp1337 posted...

They can't until the House does its part jfc. This isn't holding them up and we've discussed it before.

But on that front, Biden came out in support for the $75,000 number so that's another strike against that dumb $50k performance.

Id also say holding the president responsible for inciting a riot at the capitol with false claims of election tampering is pretty important and worth prioritizing.

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Moops?
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#37: Natsumi Kuzuryu
Supporting Cast Ranking: 8/8
Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Little Sister
Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Asshole

For the purposes of this list, supporting cast is anyone who isn't enrolled at Hope's Peak as part of the deadly life. So you get some characters which huge parts and some characters that have no lines. Natsumi winds up being one of those characters with no lines, and it is amazing how effectively this game makes me hate someone with zero lines. Natsumi Kuzuryu might legitimately be the absolute worst person at this entire school, and I feel the need to point out that there are at least two people on this list that are almost certainly a part of multiple sex offender registries across multiple countries.

Natsumi gets zero lines of her own, so a lot of what I'm going off here is based on second hand accounts from a handful of different characters. But all of it is straight up TERRIBLE. We find out that Sato kills Natsumi because Natsumi had been tormenting Sato's friend (Mahiru) for years. There's a lot to unpack there. What kind of asshole torments Mahiru? Even Hiyoko liked Mahiru and Hiyoko likes no one. Sato hypothesizes it was because the two were in the same photography club in middle school and Natsumi was jealous of Mahiru's talent. Imagine being such a jealous asshole that you decided to pick on someone because they were better than you were at taking photos in the seventh grade.

On top of that, imagine being such a living terror, such an unrelenting source of pain and misery, that someone kills you over it. That's how bad Natsumi was. She drove a high school girl to murder to protect her friend. Sato comes with the (very reasonable) request to "please stop making Mahiru hate life and just leave her alone" and Natsumi's response is to basically say "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO MY DAD IS" before saying she'll start tormenting Sato, too. Her response to "please don't be such a terrible person" was to go "I will be even more terrible". And then, on top of this, she is so weak and pathetic that Sato actually succeeds in killing her. This girl was raised in some sort of gangster family and some random kid is able to kill her easily. Like Sato doesn't even have defensive wounds that anyone comments on at least.

I will say that depending on what is shown in DR3, Natsumi probably has the greatest ability to jump up if I do these rankings again later. The perspective here isn't 100% reliable since I'm going off the words mostly of the girl who killed her. She is obviously giving a slanted perspective, so if they cover this in DR3 and Sato is just some lunatic, Natsumi might wind up getting a boost. However, I really don't think this is that far off the mark. We see how Fuyuhiko behaves in the early cases and how entitled and cruel he comes off, and it seems safe to assume that if Natsumi was raised in this same environment, she might wind up with a lot of the same character traits. Basically imagine Fuyuhiko but with the added cruelty of a wealthy, powerful middle school girl who has never been told she was wrong in her entire life. That's sort of what I imagine for Natsumi, and why I believe Sato when she says that she has been making Mahiru's life a living hell for years.

Even if the perspective here is unreliable, there are a few things about her that get confirmed. When Sato says Natsumi is making Mahiru's life hell and has been doing so for years, Mahiru doesn't disagree. And when Fuyuhiko finds out his sister died his reaction is along the lines of "if she was so easy to kill I would've done it myself" which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. She sounds like a truly repugnant individual that took glee in tormenting others and relying on her family's name to frighten others into subservience. So I'll say something I know I haven't said about a 15 year old girl before: "She was a truly horrible person and deserved to be murdered."

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Moops?
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OH! Something super interesting about IF that got me thinking. There was one line in there where Mukuro says something along the lines of "you know you can't get this group to give into despair" which is why Junko was having them kill each other instead. And it was weird thinking about some of the characters who gave into despair vs. those who didn't.

Like Junko couldn't get Mondo in Ultimate Despair with how guilty he felt over his brother? Sayaka tries to murder someone within a day over the thought of her group breakingup. Toko is a literal serial killer and Celeste seems excited to murder someone. You wouldn't think it would be that hard. And then on the other side you have Akane and Ibuki and Nekomaru and Gundham and you would think it'd be much harder to turn them. The anime will be interesting to see if stuff like that is covered at all.

Anyway.

COMING UP NEXT: The least sympathetic victim in either game.

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Moops?
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I thought IF was interesting. I loved they included it as a free pack on bonus, at the very least. I was actually really impressed with all the extra stuff on here as a whole, but IF was probably my favorite addition I think? There was a lot of interesting insight in there that really helps with some of the backstory stuff, so I'm really glad they included it. Obviously it isn't canon, but I feel like I can at least treat the backstory stuff as canon as that happens regardless of how Danganronpa plays out.

Something else that was cool was that it really I thought demonstrated what it meant to be an ultimate more than the games themselves even did. Not just Mukuro, but Sakura and Mondo and Chihiro and Kyoko all get little bits to show off. I was definitely a fan, overall.

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Moops?
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FF7 Remake

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Moops?
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I thought Memories of Celceta was pretty good, but not great. I haven't played the others though so that's the highest recommendation I can give to any of these.

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Moops?
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Also: PLATINUM GET

I finished the final dating endings last night and read through IF. The combination of free time and these two extra bonus content did wind up elevating 3 characters in the final rankings. One by just a place, but the other two by decent chunks.

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Moops?
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I do agree with the assessment that him yelling AVRIL LAVIGNE was his best moment.

Sheep007 posted...

I dunno about you but I actually got the games because of mafia (like it's basically mafia in anime game form) and I've been absolutely powering through them. Going to finish v3 these next couple of weeks so I can read any playthrough topic straight away because these writeups are gold. I also have Ultra Despair Girls but will probably give that one and the anime a miss for the time being

Good luck! I plan on finishing Demons Souls for PS5 before moving on to UDG and the anime, so I'm likely a couple of months out from V3 still. I'll see you on the other side...eventually.

PunishedBen posted...

I liked the anime.

I also like Final Fantasy 15 though, so I cannot be trusted

This is the first good thing I've heard about the anime all topic, so I'm not at least hopeful it isn't Lunar: Dragon Song levels of bad to the franchise!

SeabassDebeste posted...

the concept of ultimate imposter is hilariously stupid, but it's definitely part of the case where it's still enjoyable to me so i'd have him higher-ranked by a fair margin. just the idea that byakuya became a loving leader but somehow got insanely fat was amazing.

teruteru is probably my bottom character, along with hifumi, who i have to imagine is coming soon

as for this, this very clearly isn't true. people seem to like master roshi from dragon ball, for example. it's sadly very common in anime-adjacent media to have "lovable perverts"

not that you don't get this in western works too, of course

That's a fair counter point, I suppose. I didn't think Master Roshi was likable, but I do see a fair amount of merchandise featuring him so again he has to have an audience somewhere.

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Moops?
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Sheep007 posted...

Just finished DR2 today. Thank you again for helping me solve the shitty gravel/swimsuit thing which is possibly the worst solution in the game. I can finally read the whole topic too! I mostly agree with you on the characters, especially that they're better in this game, but Kaizuchi sucks. He only exists as a plot device and is unbearable whenever he is around and goddammit why would they kill Hiyoko instead of him? Did that asshole really just survive so he could fix an elevator and be useless for another two chapters? I think this game had the stronger cast by far, but the survivors were relatively worse than the original's. Not that hard when there were only five decent characters in the first compared to eleven in this one, but still. Also, the voice acting is such a step up in this game, and I thought Nagisa was Makoto from the start because I figured out the anagram as soon as he started jerking off to hope, thought I was really smart, and then it ended up meaning nothing.

Haha thanks! Nice to see a former MAFIA PAL showing up in time for my Danganronpa 2 playthrough. Thanks for following along! And glad I could help with that nonsensical part of trial 2 without spoiling anything.

I have more thoughts on Kazuichi, but I'll save it for my ranking since this is taking me forever anyway...

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Moops?
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#38: Teruteru Hanamura
Main Cast (Male) Ranking: 15/16
Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Cook
Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate HR Liability

There are a lot of characters I don't like in the Danganronpa games that I could at least see having some sort of fanbase. I've got some coming up where, while I don't personally like the characters, I can at least see their appeal. Even characters I've already talked about, I know at least one has a sizable fanbase and the other seems to be at least tolerated by the majority of people that play the game. However, I can't imagine anyone liking Teruteru. There just isn't a market for "short fat annoying perverts that can only say something categorically gross everytime they open their fat short annoying mouths". I feel like the general consensus to Teruteru being ranked low is going to be a "yeah fuck that guy" and that's about it.

Teruteru is so damn unlikable that I have to think that was the point. Like, thinking about him I can pretty clearly see what kind of character I think they were going here and what they were actually trying to say about him. And I think they did a good job with this. But there is a difference between a character I think is well executed and a character I actually like. Teruteru isn't even in a class of "love to hate" type of characters. His personality is so grating and his character is so unappealing in every single facet that it is impossible to like him, or even be impressed with what the writers were trying to pull off.

The biggest problem is he is a comic relief character that is not funny, and is instead incredibly off-putting in everything he says. This game is a HORNY game with a capital penis, and there are like eight different characters here that either want to have sex with Hajime or each other. But even in this sea of hormones, Teruteru seems out of place. His horniness seems weird. Almost like he's an alien familiar with the concept that humans like sex but didn't get to the chapter in their book to show what appropriate flirting was. Obvious these characters have exaggerated personalities or quirks that tend to get highlighted, but Teruteru almost only has a single personality trait. He'll talk about cooking or he'll talk about sex, and that's it. It is unfunny line after unfunny line, and it is amazing that Teruteru gets as grating as he does considering he dies at the very beginning of the game. His whole schtick is tried and overplayed almost immediately. It isn't fun not only because it is weird, but because it feels lazy. These aren't hilarious jokes, but the most bottom of the barrel obvious sort of things that any 10 year old hyped up on caffeine and a Dane Cook stand up set from 2005 can make. These are barely jokes. Sonia will say something and Teruteru will go "PENIS PENIS BONER VAGINA" and that's about it.

I'm also not entirely sure what Teruteru's sexuality is. He appears to be bisexual, which could be interesting because I can't really name too many characters in any game that are written as bisexual, and not bisexual through the result of player choice. Teruteru at various times indicates he wants to fuck Sonia, Hajime, Peko, and probably the bone in the meat, too. He comes off as less bisexual, and more hornysexual, where he just wants to hump whatever is closest to him. It makes him extra gross because it feels like he is less a character and more a dog looking for a leg hump. I feel like it was intentional, as it really fits into his underlying persona of trying so hard to make himself look more adult and mature that he is. Like is has this insane view of what sexuality is and how he connects it with maturity, so rather than expressing himself naturally every single thing he says has to be some form of sexual harassment or sexual innuendo. Unfortunately, even if it "fits" with his character, it doesn't make him any more pleasant to talk to and almost every conversation with him is exhausting.

I feel like his sole redeeming character feature is that he likes his mom, but that says a lot more about his mom than him. Most people like their mom, unless their mom was terrible to them, so loving your mom is sort of like scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to trying to cram in some character traits that make your characters less hateable. But I don't think they even do that right. If there is anything that Teruteru is desperate to do in this game, even more so than getting back to momma, is convincing everyone that he doesn't come from where he comes from. He is embarrassed of his upbringing, his culture, and by extent his family. They can say he loves his mom, but I think he comes off as more confused. He's hiding where he comes from the entire game because he doesn't want people to know he is some bumpkin kid from a little town and his mom is some small town cook that doesn't have the prestige he thinks is important to becoming a chef.

Teruteru is the kind of guy that has a hard time admitting things to himself. He views himself as this sexual dynamo, a mature and erudite adult who's specialty are these sophisticated dishes, but none of this is really true. In his free time segments, Hajime even comments all the dishes he makes are these common, homestyle type cooking (which is amazing) but Teruteru keeps coming up with these elaborate names for them to disguise the fact that he's just cooking the kind of stuff he learned from home. He even lies to himself at the trial, claiming he killed Nagito because he was going to kill Byakuya and a sort of defense of the group, unable to admit he just wanted to get home until the very, very end. Obviously, killing Byakuya or Nagito means everyone else in the group would die, and instead of informing the others of Nagito's plan when told he tries to kill him because he is desperate to get home. Him putting on this noble act is just yet another lie Teruteru tells, and we only get a glimpse at the real Teruteru at the very end. Crying for momma with his real accent. That's who Teruteru is. Everything else is just an act.

I think Teruteru best sums up how he sees himself in his brief time with us. After saying something gross, he goes, "I may be a pervert, but I'm the kind of pervert everyone likes!" Just as a heads up Teruteru, there is no pervert that people like. But, at least, I believe that he believes this. He thinks him being a pervert endears him to other people. He views that as a fun character trait as it, so he highlights it as often as he can. By making 95% of his dialogue related to this in some way. Everything is him trying to get women to look at his loins or attempting to trick Sonia into sucking poison out of his penis, and it is a constant, non-stop deluge of gross things that, more than anything, makes it feel like he is trying too hard. He is a momma's boy, country bumpkin that at some point confused sexual harassment with being a mature grown up man, and doesn't know how to prove to everyone else that he isn't a immature, unsophisticated little kid anymore.

So while I think he is a well executed character, and I get the choices they made, he is so unlikable, so awkward, so gross and annoying and one note that I simply do not care. One of the best things Danganronpa 2 did was killing this guy off immediately, so we weren't subjected to ten more hours of unfunny sexual innuendos.

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Moops?
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Yeah I think Im tapping out as well. This is unwatchable with the officiating.

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Moops?
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Yeah they gave the Bucs a second chance with an egregiously bad holding call there so Im not surprised!

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Moops?
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Tony Hawk

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Moops?
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Well that certainly is a call

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Moops?
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The only thing keeping us together was Trumps daily torrent of horrible ideas and thoughts kept us from actually discussing policy.

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Moops?
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Last of Us 2

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Moops?
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This next spot is quite hard because there's like four characters I want to put here. We are now entering the next tier of characters. I'll call this tier the "Scrappy Doo" Tier A.K.A. the "Characters I Go Out Of My Way To Voice My Hatred Of Every Time They Get Mentioned" Tier. These characters aren't quite as bad as the absolute bottom tier, but only because those characters are so dumb just in concept I think they make the game worse just by existing. This tier of characters are characters that are merely incredibly annoying or off-putting or poorly written. These are the characters who talk to you in the games and you respond with some variation of "of fuck not this guy again" every time they speak. There might be one or two very minor things you like about them or scenes you don't mind, but for the most part this is the irredeemable tier

I'm sure everyone has at least a couple of these. I am also going to guess this tier will not be as controversial as my last tier, but who knows!

M&M In A Bowl Full Of Skittles Tier:
40) Toko Fukawa
39) Ultimate Imposter

Scrappy Doo Tier:
38) ??? (not the character, this is just a generic placeholder, fuck this dude even ruined the visualized concept of the unknown)

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Moops?
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More than anything this topic is making me want to skip UDG and 3 to go straight to V3. But I'm afraid I'll just never go back at that point. Right now, finishing those is my incentive to get to V3!

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Moops?
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Anagaram posted...

Suprak, which fan version of his name do you like the most? The Imposter or Twogami?

Oh man Twogami and it isnt even close. I wish I knew that before writing up that blurb!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

And thus he is better than Byakuya <_<

For all the faults of all the other characters, they are at least characters and not just plot twists.

Except for Toko. Id rather if her character just ended with the plot twist.

Anagaram posted...

Also, I don't agree that he was imitating Byakuya when he tried to stop Nagito. He was imitating Byakuya to a point, but it's clear that he was doing what he thought was right rather than doing exactly what he thought Byakuya would do. Hajime even highlights how he seems to care more than you'd expect.

I dont mind if you interpret it that way, but at least from the way I was thinking about things this wouldnt be possible. This is a person so dedicated to becoming other people that the academy did not even know their name or sex. To them, they had no self. They were merely a reflection of the person they were imposter-ing. If they cant even give themselves a name, I dont want to give them credit for giving themselves their own morality.

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Moops?
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#39: ???
Main Cast (Male?) Ranking: 16/16
Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Imposter
Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Balloon That Made A Wish To Be A Real Boy

I have a lot of things to say about some upcoming characters, and there are going to be quite a few that I either do not like or I am perfectly ambivalent about. There are also some really interesting characters in these first two games and some that really left a mark on me long after I was done playing the game. You get attached to these characters in one way or another, and you don't want to see them die. And then there are some that you are sort of hoping die because it means the characters you like will get to live to see another chapter. So for all of the good things and bad things I am about to say about the other 38 characters on this list, they have one distinct advantage over ??? And that is that they are all characters, and ??? is a gimmick.

I don't have anything to say about ??? because there is nothing to say about ??? He or she or this escaped pile of hamsters that snuck their way into a human suit is given exactly zero actual personality or sense of character or anything of the sort. ??? is meant to be a funhouse mirror reflection of how he sees Byakuya, literally and figuratively in this sense. He has no personality of his own because he is mimicking another character who you may or may not even like. So he doesn't get actual characterization or growth or an arc or anything interesting like that, and only exists in this game to give it another shocking twist near the end. The things you like or hate about ??? are solely because they are things you like or hate about Byakuya. Almost all of the students here are a reflection of their ultimate ability in some way, but ??? is the only one where he is his ultimate ability, and nothing else.

You can go through his entire free time events and his entire Island Mode character arc, and you get a couple of little glimmers of what might be unique, distinct personality outside of him pretending to be Byakuya. There is the one line of dialogue in Hajime's nightmare delusion before Chiaki shows up where ??? says something along the lines of "now can I introduce myself" in the world's worst southern (?) accent, and then a couple of lines at the very end of Island Mode where he basically acknowledges he is an imposter and might not want to be an imposter any longer. That's it. Those are the very few times where he is doing something other than just imitating Byakuya, and even in these scenes his mannerisms and inflections are those that Byakuya could use. There are a lot of ways you could describe Byakuya, but the only way you can describe ??? is "trying to be Byakuya and failing."

You might want to give him points because he heroically sacrifices himself for Nagito, but again that isn't ??? That is him playing the role of Byakuya. It would like if you gave Chris Evans humanitarian awards for all of the people he saved as Captain America because you thought those were historical documentaries. He isn't trying to save Nagito as ??? He is saving Nagito because that's what he thinks Byakuya would do. Also, it is HIS fault he dies and HIS fault Nagito's plan almost works because he is an idiot. He gets a note saying "I will kill tonight" and doesn't tell anyone because he thinks that might cause distrust to foment. Hey. Moron. DISTRUST SHOULD FOMENT. It is like if an arsonist shows up in your neighborhood with a box of matches and a can of gasoline and you decide not to tell your neighbors because they might be worried about the arsonist. You should be worried about the arsonist, and everyone should be taking preventative measures to stop the arsonist from arson-ing their house.

Instead, ??? doesn't tell anyone, gets everyone together in a small room, and somehow doesn't check 1) the kitchen or 2) the fucking lunatic setting up the event for weapons before letting everyone else in. ??? checks the kitchen mid-party, which is too late, and doesn't ever check Nagito at all. His gross idiocy set his murder in motion because he's pretending to be Byakuya but can't do it because Byakuya isn't a drooling moron. So I refuse to give him credit for doing anything this case when he was only doing it as part of his act and he messed up like eight different things that lead to him getting murdered.

But all of this is only enough to put him in the next to last tier. What lands ??? in the very bottom tier is he only exists as a gimmick to trick you into thinking Danganronpa 2 had the balls to kill off a popular character right away. That's the only reason the "Ultimate Imposter" exists. That's what I mean when I say ??? is a gimmick. He's put in the game as way for the developers to have their cake and eat it too. Now they get the shock of killing Byakuya off without actually killing Byakuya off. It is cheap and a little cowardly, and it makes me look back at the first case in this game less fondly because of it. I was shocked when they killed off Byakuya. And somewhat annoyed when in case 5 they go "lol just kidding it was just a fat guy".

This is also totally not related to him getting ranked at 39, but ??? is also a terrible imposter. I brought this up multiple times in the playthrough, but he isn't even the best imposter in this game. Mikan does a better job impersonating Ibuki because she at least knows how silhouettes work. Mikan can pass for Ibuki with a bag on her head. ??? cannot pass for Byakuya unless he has an industrial sized bag meant for carrying small tractors. He puts all this effort into becoming these other people, learning their history and getting their mannerisms down perfectly, but then he eats the entire buffet Teruteru cooks as a means of "searching for evidence". I imagine some scene that got deleted from the final game where Kyoko and Makoto are watching the first case play out in horror while Byakuya is cursing under his breath about how this dude looks nothing like him and he's going to pull the plug on his chamber himself.

Another thing I thought of is both Byakuya and ??? attended Hope's Peak at the same time. That means, maybe Byakuya's sophomore year, there was a day when he was walking down the hallway and saw a mirrored image of himself, but now gigantically fat. How fucking confused would you be if you were just walking somewhere and all of a sudden there was a dude that looked exactly like you except it looked like he was having an extremely bad reaction to being stung by a swarm of bees? It makes the fact this dude is the Ultimate Imposter all the more bizarre, because he's impersonating someone who is going to the same school as him. How many times did Byakuya have to deal with the joke where one of his friends were like "hey which one of you is the real Byakuya hahaha" while looking back and forth between Byakuya and ??? in fake confusion. How annoying were classes? The professor would ask Byakuya a question and then ??? would start speaking up and Byakuya would have to tell him to shut the hell up. Where there ever any screaming matches in the hallways where Byakuya told him to cut this shit out its been going on for two years and is ruining his life while ??? stood there dumbfounded still pretending to be Byakuya?

These are the kind of scenes I want to see. Instead all we get is ??? idiotically bungling his attempt to protect everyone and getting himself murdered instead. His entire highlight is confusing me into thinking I had witnessed the much more interesting death of a much more interesting character. RIP Ultimate Imposter, whoever the hell you are.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Toko is pretty much an igniter in terms of the surviving cast. You know that she has a split personality that is a serial killer, and she doesn't get along with Hina at all, so her presence was always a source of tension, and you never knew if or when it would spark something. It turns out that she is able to put aside her differences with Hina and the others long enough to survive the killing game, but I always felt like that added tension of having a known killer enclosed in the school with the surviving students is why she survives the whole game.

That might be more interesting, but I would say (and again, my memory isn't great on some points and I re-watched the first game much more recently than I played it, so I might not have been tuned in to everything as closely) that she is more of a secondary comic relief than anything, which is weird considering her character. She isn't treated like Nagito, where the entire cast is afraid of her and is trying to figure out ways to lock her up or keep her from hurting others. Like I said it is more of a mild annoyance. So I never really got any sort of underlying tension that you would think should come from an active serial killer being locked in an enclosed space with you.

SeabassDebeste posted...

toko was my fav character of DR1. i mostly thought the cast sucked so toko's rejection of everyone was the most enjoyable part of it.

genocide jack was ridiculous and slightly less enjoyable than the incel persona.

RUDE

I don't think it was the best cast, but I wouldn't say they sucked as a whole and there were some characters I did like.

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Anagaram posted...

What I like about Toko is how pointless she is to the surviving cast of DR1. Everyone else has a clear purpose in the game, where Makoto, Kyoko, and Byakuya do all of the work, Hiro is a constant red herring, and Hina is the heart, and they all have to band together to overcome their enemy... and then Toko is just also there, being as important as Akane is in the second game.

I think I read that Toko survived only because she was the director's favorite character.

I had seen she had some popularity some places, particularly in Japan, and I just don't get it. I don't know what her appeal is, and I could see almost any other character having some sort of fan base other than her. I'm fine with characters that don't have a particularly defined role getting to the end because no reason to kill off all the fun side characters, but she isn't fun and I would take literally anyone over her just because it would make things less dumb.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

She is a very popular character in Japan in general. She co-stars a game for a reason!

But in the west, yeah, she seems to be mostly disliked in DR1, and since not a ton of people played UDG by comparison that still remains to this day outside of the deeper parts of the fandom.

There are still a few super nothing characters in DR1 I would absolutely rank lower than her, but I can't say it's an upsetting last place at this time in the series.

I have some super nothing characters in the list as well, but for me she is negative utility. Like she makes the game worse just be her being around. I'd take characters I feel nothing about over that!

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Moops?
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Doom Eternal

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Moops?
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At least for me personally, I find minimum wage increases and some sort of universal healthcare to be substantially greater concerns than UBI. Not that I think UBI is bad but I think the most good would come from implementing the first two policies first and then reevaluating what is still needed after that.

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Oh and I also hate how T-t-t-t-t-oko t-t-t-t-takes forever to s-s-s-s-s-s-ay things. I somehow forgot to include that in my rant.

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SSBM_Guy posted...

are you sure you're ranking danganronpa characters

The next to bottom tier is sadly a bit larger.

There is only one more character in this tier and I'll try to write them up tomorrow! My Toko hate got a bit out of control there and I was just rambling for a while. Oops!

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Moops?
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I added a couple minor characters I want to talk about to get to an even 40.

#40: Toko Fukawa
Main Cast (Female) Ranking: 16/16
Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Writing Prodigy
Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate Weird Kid In Class That You Got Partnered Up With That One Time And They Spent The Whole Assignment Muttering Under Their Breath About Chads And Stacys And Telling You Not To Come To School On Monday

It has been a while since I have played the first Danganronpa game, and although I am in the process of watching someone else play it just for fun, I haven't finished it yet. So, I admit, some of my write ups for first game characters might not be as detailed as the sequel just because I fully remember my gut reaction to characters in the second game much better. And for the first game, I am sort of using a combination of vague recollections of certain events combined with recent impressions from this watch through (which is biased by how I remember feeling about certain characters going into it).

But I FUCKING hate Toko. I know people say she is more entertaining in Ultra Despair Girls, but I haven't played Ultra Despair Girls so this is just a Toko from Danganronpa 1 ranking. This is one thing that is clear to me now as it was when I originally played the game. Part of it is just her design, and I hate the way she looks both as Toko and as Genocide Jack. I know the fact they made her so plain and boring is meant to contrast with her serial killer persona, but I don't like the way that persona looks either. That weird long stupid lizard tongue that just kinda hangs out of the side of her mouth in some animations has to be a bottom three pose for me in the entire series.

Her personality is also at the absolute bottom of the cast list, with only one or two real possible exceptions. She's unnecessarily mean to the cast, and in ways that aren't really fun or interesting or seem to have a point other than to highlight how shitty she is on a day to day basis. She calls other female characters whores multiple times because they have the audacity to not dress like a 18th century Puritan corpse. There's nothing fun or lively about her character when she's Toko. Even in Danganronpa 1, which is clearly the lesser of the two casts, she sticks out as being particularly dull. These other characters have these big personalities, and her whole schtick is that sex is scary and people are out to get her and WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR PROBLEM. She is the kid at school that sat at the table by themselves, and you think is kinda sad so you go over to talk to them, only to immediately realize why they were at that table by themselves and all the other kids were right to bully them.

Genocide Jack certainly has more personality, but unfortunately that personality can be best summarized as "dumb". You would think that an actual serial killer would add some actual suspense to things, like the role that Nagito plays in the second game. But unlike Nagito, the rest of the cast doesn't seem to really give Genocide Jack the apprehension she deserves. In fact, Genocide Jack is almost entirely treated as this weird comic relief character but I just never really found them all that funny. Either I am annoyed with this character as Genocide Jack, or I'm really annoyed at them with Toko, and the whole character is a mess from design to characterization to personality.

But more than this, more than her annoying personality and her general shittiness to those around her, is the fact that I hate the role she plays in the game. I hate the serial killer reveal and I hate how they keep her around for the entire game after that. We're supposed to believe this little child somehow has murdered countless men to the point that she has become the most famous serial killer of all time? I know I'm talking about a game that requires a certain level of suspension of disbelief, but the fact that the Ultimate Writing Prodigy is also the Ultimate Serial Killer is just a coincidence that is so dumb that it is now like six years after I played the first game and I'm still clearly complaining about it.

It also complicates the morality in this game. Ok so Junko is bad because she is causing the sort of cataclysmic event, but Toko is one of the heroes because...what? She didn't kill anyone for the two weeks she was trapped at the school? You nkow what is the second saddest, most terrible, most awful event to ever transpire in this universe? The hundreds of men that have been murdered by Toko along the eastern seaboard of Japan in the years leading up to these games. She is absolutely no better than Junko, and the game seems to write her into the story almost solely for a stupid misdirect in the second case but then just allows her to stick around, annoying you for the rest of the game. She is an incel, an angry, pathetic incel, and I don't even mean this as in exaggeration. She exclusively kills men that she's attracted to because she had been hanging around the 4chan board for too long and took all their LARPing for a manifesto. So not only is it not at all believable she is the (second) greatest killer ever to live in Japan, the game just sort of skirts past all the murky moral complications for the sake of making the same joke over and over again about how she is obsessed with Byakuya. And, again, the only reason this is done for the story is for a terrible misdirect near the beginning of the game.

I fully understand that the Danganronpa series operates on its own sort of zany logic, and I get that. In fact, that's one of the things I love about the series. Sure, a high school girl caused the almost end of the world by being a lunatic. Love it and I'm on board. Sure, there is a computer system that allows you to upload personalities, and download new personalities from it back on to people. Sounds great. There are crazy murderous teddy bears and people getting fired out of rockets and I'm on board for all of this. But just because a series or work of fiction is outlandish, it doesn't mean it gets a pass for every outlandish thing it does. I want it to make sense within the context of the universe and I want the character to feel like they belong within the set of rules that universe defines. And I feel like no one really treats Toko the way they should treat Toko. The cast of Danganronpa is more afraid of Sakura than they are of Toko, a literal SERIAL KILLER who HAS MURDERED BEFORE AND WILL MURDER AGAIN.

Toko is a serial killer that everyone treats like she is a woman trying to recruit you to her MLM business on Facebook. It is all eye rolls and mild annoyance. At the end of Danganronpa 2, Kyoko reminds Byakuya that Toko is waiting for him when he returns and he lets out an exasperated "don't remind me." Byakuya, you should be fucking terrified. This is a girl that has murdered exclusively men she has had a crush on and she is so good at it that literally everyone knows her. She should be a villain, not comic relief. I feel this is one step away from Byakuya going "Oh, Toko!" while she mugs to the camera and the laugh track from the Big Bang Theory plays in the background.

There is just nothing I like about Toko. I hate her design. I hate Genocide Jack's design. I hate the fact we're supposed to believe she's murdered an entire city's worth of handsome men. I hate that she is a female incel. I hate how useless she is in all the cases. I hate that she muddles the morality of this universe simply by existing. I hate how she treats everyone as Toko. I hate her weird repressed sexuality that is somehow creepier than the two actual perverts that exist within these games. Most of all, I hate the fact that apparently we're not supposed to hate her.

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Moops?
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puh hu hu~

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I've decided to rank Monokuma and Alter Ego separately, for reasons I'll cover when I get to them. Be prepared for some CONTROVERSIAL TAKES because apparently characters I like are universally despised and vice versa. We are about to enter the bottom tier. The good news is that this is a short tier. The bad news is I absolutely hate the characters in this tier, currently dubbed the "M&M In A Bowl Full Of Skittles" Tier a.k.a. the "Makes Surrounding Things Worse Just By Existing" Tier.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Also just gonna say it. Visual appearance should have no barring in politics, but irregardless of that I can't keep it in: Matt Gaetz is an incredibly freaky looking dude, right? It's not just me? Like he's made of putty or something, or wearing a super tight skinsuit.

There is something odd about his face, yeah.

I'm getting the villain from the mask vibes. Or Max Headroom.

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Moops?
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It's totally fine. I plan on nominating nothing but films on Netflix or Hulu when it is my turn, which I'm sure will be less than ideal for some people. Just the nature of these sorts of things and I wouldn't want people catering their choices towards me!

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Moops?
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Oh I forgot kanopy!

If any of those are on kanopy you can add them to my list as well.

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Moops?
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I think the Graduate is the only one available for streaming so put me down as a yes for that one and a no for the others.

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Moops?
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Final Fantasy VII Remake

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Moops?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/04/romney-child-benefit-stimulus/

Dang. I knew my wife and I shouldve had our third kid earlier.

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Moops?
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I did!

I have the platinum for that game and did essentially everything I could back when I played it. I wish I could find my old play through topic but it apparently wasnt archived on the site that shall not be named for whatever reason.

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Moops?
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Tony Hawk

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Moops?
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I have one character's free time left (Chiaki) and then I apparently need to replay through island mode a handful more times to get character endings for uber friendship? So it'll be another couple of days probably before I can give character rankings. I might do case rankings first as I doubt those will change all that much!

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Moops?
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Well I think it was fair to be worried about Biden paying that more than lip service considering how he was always considered a reach across the aisle kind of guy. I dont think it was unreasonable for people to think he might get nothing done because he was committed to this idea of bipartisanship.

Again, I will gladly admit to being wrong if he actually learned his lessons from the Obama administration and winds up being a more successful president because of that. Thats something Id loved to be wrong about and at least the early returns are much more promising than I thought.

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Moops?
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They dont work on desktop either. You need to delete everything after and including the /revision and then theyll show up fine.

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